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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reyes now and then Reply with quote

I checked in on reyes @20 games
Now @40 games

Seems like the same ol' same ol' ineptitude
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all his ineptitude he is still 10th in the league in runs and on pace to score well over 100
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow
people still respond with the "runs" argument
simply amazing
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 walk per 27 plate appearances

compared to

1 walk per 11 plate appearances


Nah, I don't see a difference either.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isnt the whole point of leadoff hitter to score runs?

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how come jp never responds to these reyes "arguments"?
I mean, he surely knows the value of "runs scored"
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point of a leadoff hitter is to be a good hitter.

Actually, I take that back. The job of a leadoff hitter is to be a good offensive player, most of which is about being a good hitter.

I've actually seen improvement from Reyes this year. He still has a ways to go to be good, but there has been progress.


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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what he is saying
as a lead off hitter you need to get base hits not just walks
a .250 batting avg is not MLB material
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And we are still only 40 games into the season. Didn't everybody want this guy to walk more?? I think he has done that. Has he improved his plate disipline over last year so far?? He is scoring runs, not as much as everybody would like, but that is his job. Get on and score. While he isn't getting on mostly because of his BA he isn't scoring as much. My problem with Reyes right now is that the little f'er can't f'ing bunt.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnybodyButBengie wrote:
1 walk per 27 plate appearances

compared to

1 walk per 11 plate appearances


Nah, I don't see a difference either.


Ive said it before and its even more true now -
reyes is simply taking pitches. That doesnt mean he has a developed a "better eye". Hes taking more balls and hes also taking more pitches that he would hit. Thus, lower BA higher BB same old crappy obp and ops.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Reyes now and then Reply with quote

flakenstein wrote:
I checked in on reyes @20 games
Now @40 games

Seems like the same ol' same ol' ineptitude

Not really.

The weak link in Reyes stats right now is his BA, which of all major offensive rate stats is most prone to fluctuation. That is one of the key reasons it is not looked at by itself.

His BA is down 23 points from last year, but his OPS is up 24 points. Why?
IsoD +39 from last year.
IsoP +31 from last year.

He's obviously getting better. His OPS is also 75 points better from your 20-game check.

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

His OBP leaves a lot to be desired...last I checked he was ranked #120+ in the majors. Not what you want from a franchise leadoff hitter. If he can get to the .350-.375 range, he will score 120 runs. From the games I've seen this year, he looks a little more patient and has been drawing some good AB's in key spots.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he gets his OBP in the .330 range...he will score 120 runs
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Ive said it before and its even more true now -
reyes is simply taking pitches. That doesnt mean he has a developed a "better eye". Hes taking more balls and hes also taking more pitches that he would hit. Thus, lower BA higher BB same old crappy obp and ops.


You say that because you don't watch the games. And don't care enough to look up stats like this...

Last year, Reyes put the first pitch is play in 12.5% of his at-bats.
This year, 14.4%.

Yep, he's sure taking a lot more.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or this stat:

In 2006, Reyes has 12 walks and only 1 strikeout with a 3-2 count.

So what's more plausible... 1) he always takes on 3-2 and only one major league pitcher has thrown him a strike or 2) you're a dumbass.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

His OBP is up, his SLG is up, his extra base hits are up, his errors are down (3!). His pitches per plate appearance are up. His runs per plate appearance are up. His RC/27 is up from a pathetic 4.35 to 4.80. He's clearly doing better. I was down on him last year because I didn't see him doing anything differently or making any progress. But this year he's on pace for 68 walks, which is awesome! And I'll gladly take a hit on the average to see him actually work on an important part of his game. The avg can shoot up to respectability with 1 or 2 big games.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flakenstein wrote:
reyes is simply taking pitches. That doesnt mean he has a developed a "better eye".


this season, reyes is on pace for 98 strikeouts and 68 walks as compared to 78 strikeouts and 27 walks last season. this means he is on pace to increase his amount of walks by 2.5 times, and his amount of strikeouts by about 1.4 times. he is taking more pitches, you're right about that, and while both walks and strikeouts are increasing, walks are increasing significantly more.

taking more pitches and walking more often as a result, as opposed to striking out more often as a result is the very definition of developing a better eye.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

all numbers aside, I don't know how a knowledgeable baseball fan could watch 20 Mets games this year and not see that his approach at the plate has clearly improved.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnybodyButBengie wrote:
Or this stat:

In 2006, Reyes has 12 walks and only 1 strikeout with a 3-2 count.

So what's more plausible... 1) he always takes on 3-2 and only one major league pitcher has thrown him a strike or 2) you're a dumbass.


here we go again with the name calling -
as usual, i only need to refer to the following #s

this season: 250 ba .316 obp .394 slg .708 ops
career: 274 ba .305 obp .395 slg .700 ops

improvement?
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually do understand your point flake, but there are two criticals flaws in your view.

1) You seemingly don't believe becoming more patient at the plate is a skill that takes time to fully harness, even though it is massive fundamental shift in a player's game.
2) ...and yet since your 20-game status check his stats have still managed to significantly improve. BA up 31, OPS up 75, BB/PA up, K/PA down.

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