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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gallstone wrote:
the list of players with Jason Bays mnior league stats thats didn't break out is about 100 times longer that the list that did. lol!


Hell the list of players with better Minor League stats than Jason Bay who never amounted to squat is longer than a bronx phone book.

The guy was just pointing out upside.

You need to focus your pessimism to just a few areas. If you argue everything at once you spread yourself too thin. Maybe just stick to complaining about the starting rotation for the next few weeks, then move to the outfield, then 2b. You should save 1B for closer to spring training.

Remeber Daniel Son, concentrate, focus power.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still waiting on Gall's plans.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BelloChenzo wrote:
Still waiting on Gall's plans.


Don't hold your breath.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Remeber Daniel Son, concentrate, focus power.


Look eye, ALWAYS look eye!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SiddFinch wrote:
paddle head wrote:

Remeber Daniel Son, concentrate, focus power.

Look eye, ALWAYS look eye!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't Gall cracking on all the offseason moves last year, too?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually He says now that he was all for all the moves last year

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope. In fact I was making fun of homers who cried for Jacobs
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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nope. In fact I was making fun of homers who cried for Jacobs


See, though I bet if ESPN hadn't deleted all those posts I'd bet he'd be singing a different tune

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not like the Seo of Benson moves at the time. especially both coupled together
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, Gall, why don't you answer everyone's plea to reveal your plans or ideas. What should Omar have done so far? You're like a 60's activist - you're full of criticism, but you don't offer solutions.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice call on the Seo/Benson moves, Gall. You were really on top of those two, I tell ya.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate getting involved in this because it's stupid to even comment on someone who refuses to offer any evidence of anything but here goes:

Alou is an upgrade to our offense. He's a wash to our defense (in replacing Floyd). I LOVED Floyd. I was one of the guys that would have brought him back in a platoon/PH situation for a year. But with Green in right, we needed a right handed stick at one OF spot and Omar pulled off the most reasonable deal that we have seen so far in this market.

Look at the other OFers that have signed. NONE of them have the resume of Alou. None of them are as old but none of them signed for fewer than 5 years either.

If Soriano is putting up the same numbers as Alou in year 8 of that contract, come talk to me and tell me I'm an idiot. (Aside from homers and steals, his numbers aren't better than Alou NOW...)

Porny was a questionable move unless you look at who else was available. I would have liked to see DeRosa, Loretta or Durham. I don't know if an offer was made to DeRosa. Loretta and Durham are still possibilities although Durham wants 10mil a year and is a longshot anyway. If we have no alternatives at 2B by the time the season starts, I'll wonder why we didn't go out and get a cheap alternative to give competition to Porny at worst or beat him out and turn him into a utilityman at best.

If Porny can give us the same defense and half the offense, he'll still be better than signing Lugo to $8mil a year for 5 years.

El Duque is definitely a question mark for two years. But if we didn't give him two, he'd be pitching somewhere else. He's established himself as one of THE best postseason pitchers of our era. Could he be a servicable #3 or #4 pitcher? Absolutely. Could he break down? Absolutely. Is Omar still looking for pitching? Absolutely.

Omar made a big effort to get Matsuzaka. He outbid by 8mil what anybody thought he'd have to in order to get him. I firmly believe that no matter what happens with Glavine, in which our hands are tied, he will make a concerted effort to get Zito. And I further believe that there will be a pitcher acquired via trade, maybe even if we get Zito AND Glavine re-signs.

Is Easley a better player than Woodward? If so, why should it matter that he's 37? Again, 1 year deal. You don't get 25 year old, nearing super-stardom kind of players to be your IF utility man. Be realistic.

So what has he done wrong so far? Give El Duque a 2nd year? As I said, he likely wouldn't be here at all without it. Would you like to have a staff that currently is fronted by Maine or would you rather have a proven guy like El Duque who showed us, especially late in the season, that he can still be dominant. And don't you think the guy is a warrior? Wanting to come back and pitch a couple weeks after he tore his calf?

Gallstone, until you give us something that resembles a "plan" that is superior to what Omar has done THUS FAR, I will refrain from comments in response to your negative bullshit.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well b/c thats the gm job, not mine, I don't know who is available etc.

But one thing I would have done is get one young or in-prime core player to to with Reyes, Wright and Beltran for either 2b, RF or LF. THat way they don't have to fill five holes come 2008 or 2009.

If the only person available turns out to be Sorriano, I would have paid the money. No one is bitching about paying Pedro's contact and that will only be for 2 more years.


Then I would use pelfry as a centerpiece in a trade for starting pitching and also get Zito.

alot of cash but so what. this team has no bad contracts and can take a risk.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gallstone wrote:
Well b/c thats the gm job, not mine, I don't know who is available etc.

But one thing I would have done is get one young or in-prime core player to to with Reyes, Wright and Beltran for either 2b, RF or LF. THat way they don't have to fill five holes come 2008 or 2009.

If the only person available turns out to be Sorriano, I would have paid the money. No one is bitching about paying Pedro's contact and that will only be for 2 more years.


Then I would use pelfry as a centerpiece in a trade for starting pitching and also get Zito.

alot of cash but so what. this team has no bad contracts and can take a risk.



Ah this plan makes total sense...because of the plethora of prime talent available between the ages of 26 and 30....and signing Alfonso Soriano for 9 years and 160 million dollars would have been an awsome idea, as long as we wouldnt mind paying him 19 million a year when he's 40 because those types of contracts always work out so well for teams.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know who is available etc.

That statement says it all, Gall.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gallstone wrote:

If the only person available turns out to be Sorriano, I would have paid the money.


Nope, Chenzo that says it all

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gallstone wrote:
Well b/c thats the gm job, not mine, I don't know who is available etc.

But one thing I would have done is get one young or in-prime core player to to with Reyes, Wright and Beltran for either 2b, RF or LF. THat way they don't have to fill five holes come 2008 or 2009.

If the only person available turns out to be Sorriano, I would have paid the money. No one is bitching about paying Pedro's contact and that will only be for 2 more years.


Then I would use pelfry as a centerpiece in a trade for starting pitching and also get Zito.

alot of cash but so what. this team has no bad contracts and can take a risk.


you know why this team has no bad contracts and has flexibility? because they have done the opposite of what want them to do and make huge moves "just because"

essentially your complaints have manifested into "we should have gotten soriano," as you haven't been able to formulate any other coherent alternative to what omar has done. soriano will be 31, cost 136 fucking million dollars, and has a career OBP of .325. we had no need for soriano, or atleast no needs that necessitated completely over-paying for a guy who can't get on base and had who happened to have a career year in a contract year.

as for wanting to trade pelfrey or whatever retarded diarrhea you are now trying to spew, no big blockbuster trades happen in november. if you have nothing intelligent to say other than calling people who disagree with you homers and going, "wah wah i want soriano," shut the [CENSORED] up.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Ben Johnson becomes the next Xavier Nady, let alone Jason Bay, Omar will have done well again. Heck, even if Johnson becomes the next Endy Chavez, he's done well.

Gall, I'm as big a realist (or pessimist depending who you ask) as they come, and I wouldn't have signed Soriano for that deal. I don't think you need to worry about the core and 5 holes to fill in 2008. Next year the OF market will be MUCH better than then slim pickings available this year. As for 1B, 2B and C......Omar will deal with them as necessary. If nobody is available, nobody is available. I'd still bet Omar brings in another guy for 2b.

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If the only person we can get isn't good enough to warrant the amount of money he signs for...you let him go. Signing guys for the sake of doing something is stupid and how you wind up like the Baltimore Orioles

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