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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look for a pen arm for sure, we have to make something happen there.


Explore acquiring a corner OF. If the price is to steep then back off and go with what we have.

Find a replacement for Newhan/Ledee

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

metsforever - what moves did you want Omar to make in the offseason?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Metsforever wrote:
IceySpoons wrote:
Metsforever wrote:
IceySpoons wrote:
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Find a long term corner OF'er.

Find a BP arm.


any names/trade proposals or are you going to hide behind your silly blanket statements for the rest of the day?




I'm going to let the poeple who think we should do nothing other than what Omar does, have first go.

Also i've floated names elsewhere.




ok, so you're going to wait until the smart people make some thoughtful suggestions and then pick a convenient time to chime in. sounds like a plan, duncecap.




Nah, the smart people were ahead of the game this Winter bonehead, you guys are still catching us up.

We clamoured for moves in the Winter while the rest of you clapped like seals at everything your master did.

So, fucko, how are YOU going to turn around the mess you were very happy to sign off on?


i already posted my suggestion. see what texas wants for lofton/gagne. milledge/heilman for lofton/gagne is a deal i'd at least consider, simply because if he's healthy gagne is a better setup man than heilman, lofton is a nice stopgap for this season who fits into our lineup well, and dealing milledge is dealing from strength, with gomez and fernando probably both in majors within the next year or so.

i'd also feel comfortable going with milledge in LF once he's healthy and just trying to pick up a bullpen arm. if the reds are really clearing house, maybe it's worth seeing if we can get david weathers back for a b-level prospect. much as i love feliciano, if we had weathers in the fold, i'd consider shifting feliciano back to the LOOGY role and DL-ing schoeneweis.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather suffer Milledge's struggles than throw him away for Lofton at 39.


Gagne? Big injury risk.


We're giving Milledge away to make the team older, and have Gagne as another DL risk.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd rather suffer Milledge's struggles than throw him away for Lofton at 39.


Gagne? Big injury risk.


We're giving Milledge away to make the team older, and have Gagne as another DL risk.


both are legit concerns. hence my second suggestion. i'm still waiting on your ideas, slick....

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The everyday team is old, i would want to land a significant long term piece, or try and battle through with Miilledge and Gomez etc


I think when you look at this team, you see only 3 core players everyday, Reyes, Wright and Beltran, Delgado is in decline, PLD is 36, Green is 34 and isn';t getting better etc - Valnetin 37.


That says to me we should get younger everyday, and add a long term COF'er. Chabge the balance of the team from relying to heavily on the big threee, then hoping the old guys can stand up long enough. Get a proven producer at the right age.


Package Pelfrey and Milledge as a start point, and see what we got offered. Then go from there.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Metsforever wrote:
The everyday team is old, i would want to land a significant long term piece, or try and battle through with Miilledge and Gomez etc


I think when you look at this team, you see only 3 core players everyday, Reyes, Wright and Beltran, Delgado is in decline, PLD is 36, Green is 34 and isn';t getting better etc - Valnetin 37.


That says to me we should get younger everyday, and add a long term COF'er. Chabge the balance of the team from relying to heavily on the big threee, then hoping the old guys can stand up long enough. Get a proven producer at the right age.


Package Pelfrey and Milledge as a start point, and see what we got offered. Then go from there.


a signifigant long term person for the OF (ala Adam Dunn) will cost you Milledge and Gomez. So the Milledge and Gomez plan you said makes sense...WHICH WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO IF FOR THE FACT MILLEDGE WASN'T INJURED!!!

so this discussion would not be taking place then if Milledge was healthy???

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AND LIKE HE SAID...WHO WOULD YOU TARGET???? SINCE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANY TEAMS ARE WILLING TO MAKE TRADES NOW?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He already said Rios for one in another thread.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrmua84 wrote:
Metsforever wrote:
The everyday team is old, i would want to land a significant long term piece, or try and battle through with Miilledge and Gomez etc


I think when you look at this team, you see only 3 core players everyday, Reyes, Wright and Beltran, Delgado is in decline, PLD is 36, Green is 34 and isn';t getting better etc - Valnetin 37.


That says to me we should get younger everyday, and add a long term COF'er. Chabge the balance of the team from relying to heavily on the big threee, then hoping the old guys can stand up long enough. Get a proven producer at the right age.


Package Pelfrey and Milledge as a start point, and see what we got offered. Then go from there.


a signifigant long term person for the OF (ala Adam Dunn) will cost you Milledge and Gomez. So the Milledge and Gomez plan you said makes sense...WHICH WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO IF FOR THE FACT MILLEDGE WASN'T INJURED!!!

so this discussion would not be taking place then if Milledge was healthy???



But he isn't healthy!!!


Ther's no way i throw peices like LM away on old men - [CENSORED] that.

For Dunn, give them LM and Pelfrey.

Dunn is walking soon anyway, and the Reds can't possibly resign him.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Metsforever wrote:
The everyday team is old, i would want to land a significant long term piece, or try and battle through with Miilledge and Gomez etc


I think when you look at this team, you see only 3 core players everyday, Reyes, Wright and Beltran, Delgado is in decline, PLD is 36, Green is 34 and isn';t getting better etc - Valnetin 37.


That says to me we should get younger everyday, and add a long term COF'er. Chabge the balance of the team from relying to heavily on the big threee, then hoping the old guys can stand up long enough. Get a proven producer at the right age.


Package Pelfrey and Milledge as a start point, and see what we got offered. Then go from there.


hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

your strategy: tell every team in mlb that we're looking to trade pelfrey and milledge, and see what we get offered. you've proven once and for all that you don't know shit.

"get younger everyday"? "get a proven producer at the right age?" you're not saying ANYTHING here. you're speaking just generally enough to make it sound like you have an idea, but in fact, you don't. you have no clue how to fix this team, and yet you insist that it needs fixing and continue to criticize the team's front office.

and if you want to get "younger everday", why would you trade our two youngest, brightest prospects?

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ok...and since Rios is on a team with Wells, who is out of there soon, and since they have no BP or pitching after Halloday, who do we trade?

I bet you Toronto asks for Milledge and Gomez as a starting price!!!! Should we throw in Pelfrey just to sweeten the deal???

I would love Rios

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IceySpoons wrote:
Metsforever wrote:
The everyday team is old, i would want to land a significant long term piece, or try and battle through with Miilledge and Gomez etc


I think when you look at this team, you see only 3 core players everyday, Reyes, Wright and Beltran, Delgado is in decline, PLD is 36, Green is 34 and isn';t getting better etc - Valnetin 37.


That says to me we should get younger everyday, and add a long term COF'er. Chabge the balance of the team from relying to heavily on the big threee, then hoping the old guys can stand up long enough. Get a proven producer at the right age.


Package Pelfrey and Milledge as a start point, and see what we got offered. Then go from there.


hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

your strategy: tell every team in mlb that we're looking to trade pelfrey and milledge, and see what we get offered. you've proven once and for all that you don't know shit.

"get younger everyday"? "get a proven producer at the right age?" you're not saying ANYTHING here. you're speaking just generally enough to make it sound like you have an idea, but in fact, you don't. you have no clue how to fix this team, and yet you insist that it needs fixing and continue to criticize the team's front office.

and if you want to get "younger everday", why would you trade our two youngest, brightest prospects?



You're a fucking idiot. You don't think teams sound each other out about cost, i'm talking a strategy you stupid [CENSORED] not nuts and bolts.


Pelfrey is tradeable because i don't believe in him, thats; why i happily toss him in for a major part, and we don't need bothGomez or LM if we got back Dunn, Rios etc.


It's pretty fucking simple.


You still get to keep one or the other, AND you have a lockdown COF player for the future.

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ok...and since Rios is on a team with Wells, who is out of there soon, and since they have no BP or pitching after Halloday, who do we trade?

I bet you Toronto asks for Milledge and Gomez as a starting price!!!! Should we throw in Pelfrey just to sweeten the deal???

I would love Rios



Why is Wells out of there?

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Pelfrey is tradeable because i don't believe in him, thats; why i happily toss him in for a major part, and we don't need bothGomez or LM if we got back Dunn, Rios etc.


YES GO TO A TEAM SAYING THAT...BWHAHAHAHA, WATCH HOW YOU GET SCREWED!!

Tell me how Cincinnati would not want Milledge or Gomez???? OOO cause they want to get young!!! like you want the mets to get!!!!

Tell me...who plays OF for Toronto when Rios and Wells are gone???? Who pitches for them???

geez, un-fucking-real

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Metsforever wrote:
IceySpoons wrote:
Metsforever wrote:
The everyday team is old, i would want to land a significant long term piece, or try and battle through with Miilledge and Gomez etc


I think when you look at this team, you see only 3 core players everyday, Reyes, Wright and Beltran, Delgado is in decline, PLD is 36, Green is 34 and isn';t getting better etc - Valnetin 37.


That says to me we should get younger everyday, and add a long term COF'er. Chabge the balance of the team from relying to heavily on the big threee, then hoping the old guys can stand up long enough. Get a proven producer at the right age.


Package Pelfrey and Milledge as a start point, and see what we got offered. Then go from there.


hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

your strategy: tell every team in mlb that we're looking to trade pelfrey and milledge, and see what we get offered. you've proven once and for all that you don't know shit.

"get younger everyday"? "get a proven producer at the right age?" you're not saying ANYTHING here. you're speaking just generally enough to make it sound like you have an idea, but in fact, you don't. you have no clue how to fix this team, and yet you insist that it needs fixing and continue to criticize the team's front office.

and if you want to get "younger everday", why would you trade our two youngest, brightest prospects?



You're a fucking idiot. You don't think teams sound each other out about cost, i'm talking a strategy you stupid [CENSORED] not nuts and bolts.


Pelfrey is tradeable because i don't believe in him, thats; why i happily toss him in for a major part, and we don't need bothGomez or LM if we got back Dunn, Rios etc.


It's pretty fucking simple.


You still get to keep one or the other, AND you have a lockdown COF player for the future.


FINALLY, after all that, you give us an idea. milledge and pelfrey for either rios or dunn. that's how you'd fix the team. great. i don't agree with it, but that's your idea, and i respect that.

my point this entire time has been that you sound like a fucking moron when all you do is bitch, bitch, [CENSORED] about what the front office is doing wrong without offering any suggestions of your own. if you had said something like this to begin with, you wouldn't have half the fucking board thinking you're a jackass.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ok...and since Rios is on a team with Wells, who is out of there soon, and since they have no BP or pitching after Halloday, who do we trade?

I bet you Toronto asks for Milledge and Gomez as a starting price!!!! Should we throw in Pelfrey just to sweeten the deal???

I would love Rios


Actually Wells signed a long term deal last year.

But yea the Blue jays would be really good trading partners at the deadline. Rios, Burnett, Marcum, and Frasor are all good fits for us. The bluejays are probably gonna ask for alot though.
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Metsforever wrote:
jrmua84 wrote:
ok...and since Rios is on a team with Wells, who is out of there soon, and since they have no BP or pitching after Halloday, who do we trade?

I bet you Toronto asks for Milledge and Gomez as a starting price!!!! Should we throw in Pelfrey just to sweeten the deal???

I would love Rios



Why is Wells out of there?



he's not. he just signed a long term deal.

IF either him or rios is available (doubtful) probably wells is more
available just because of that contract.
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like icey said...you have an plan...good for you. If you think that plan will work, more power to you. But at least you got one!

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HammerHead wrote:
Metsforever wrote:
jrmua84 wrote:
ok...and since Rios is on a team with Wells, who is out of there soon, and since they have no BP or pitching after Halloday, who do we trade?

I bet you Toronto asks for Milledge and Gomez as a starting price!!!! Should we throw in Pelfrey just to sweeten the deal???

I would love Rios



Why is Wells out of there?



he's not. he just signed a long term deal.

IF either him or rios is available (doubtful) probably wells is more
available just because of that contract.


BINGO!!!!!! FINALLY SOMETHING REASONABLE SAID!!! THANK YOU HAMMERHEAD!!!!

Toronto needs so much, but can't do it with that contract! Who the heck says any of those guys in Toronto is available??? Since they have so little to work with, but have talented guys who are developing, you are going to have to give up alot (AKA MILLEDGE AND GOMEZ OR PELFREY IF YOU WANT TO START!)

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