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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you should be banned for that little "3-0 on reyes birthday" stunt you pulled yesterday. don't think i forgot about that.


Shit... Embarassed My bad.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes he is. He'll also inevitibly hit the DL. We have enough health problems on this team we surely do not want to add another injury prone OF. Regardless of how well he is doing so far this season.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my plan:

Trade for Utley
Trade for Nathan
Trade for Vlad
Trade for Santana
Trade for Salty

You have:
Reyes
Utley
Beltran
Vlad
Wright
Delgado
Green/Alou
Salty

You add nathan to the pen, and probably should pick up a lefty specialists for the pen, but I'm not sure who yet. you add Johan to the rotation and we then have Johan, Pedro, (when healthy), Glavine, Maine, Perez. That's a pretty good team, no?

Who do we trade for all these guys? No idea, it's not my problem to figure that out, it's Omar's. And if he doesn't get this done in the next week, he sucks as a GM and should be fired.

That is all.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd offer Burgos and Vargas for Matt Murton. Hopefully Burgos can pass a physical.

DL Schoeneweis.

Call up Humber and put him in the pen.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Griffey makes us too left-handed.

I don't think Milledge and Pelfrey would get Crawford. They have a surplus of OFs and would want Humber and Mulvey to start negotiations.

What I'd do: I'd DL Schoeneblow. Recall Willie Collazo (LHP)

Trade Chip Ambres, Jason Vargas, Guillermo Mota to Washington for Austin Kearns and Saul Rivera.

vs RHP
Reyes SS
LoDuca C
Beltran CF
Delgado 1B
Wright 3B
Green RF
Kearns LF/Porn 2B
Porn 2B/Gomez LF

vs LHP
Reyes SS
LoDuca C
Beltran CF
Wright 3B
Delgado 1B
Kearns LF
Green RF
Porn 2B

Bullpen:
Wagner LHP
Heilman RHP
Smith RHP
Rivera RHP
Collazo LHP
Feliciano LHP
Sele RHP

(Sanchez)
(Pedro)

Sit back, relax, win the East and listen to you guys [CENSORED] along the way.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, look at that... the board's most intelligent poster BY A LONGSHOT has now come on board with the Collazo idea. This thing is gathering steam.

JP has additionally CONSISTENTLY made the best and most sensical trade proposals out of anyone on the board and would probably make the best GM out of all of us by far. Additionally, that call he made on Gautreau was RIDICULOUS and he was probably the world’s only human being who could pinpoint that acquisition. Dude just DOES NOT get his props sometimes. Looks like Tulane is good for something other than J.P. Losman.

Now that I’m off his jock (no homo), I’d like to state that outside of those started by the Four Horsemen, this has been the most panicked and consequentially inane thread I have seen in the history of this board. Some of the proposals on here are downright fucking retarded—not because people on here are stupid, because they were made by smart people who are having brain lapses right now—but because everyone thinks that our 8-game swoon or whatever is indicative that we are fucked as a franchise forever. Say WHAT!?

The worst thing about this all is not that people are actually positing that we need Ken Griffey Jr.—which is not the case for reasons outlined in JP’s post—but that we are now looking to trade Milledge and Pelfrey at the lowest possible value and get positively ripped off in some of these proposals. Milledge AND Pelfrey for Alex Fucking Rios? Are you out of your damn mind? I would say Milledge at 70% of his potential is exactly the player Rios is right now. That alone is probably enough to say that Milledge-for-Rios straight up is only a slight fleecing on our end… but to throw in Pelfrey? How the [CENSORED] have you already given up on him with less than 150 minor league innings under his belt and basically no education about how to throw inside and no development of an off-speed pitch? Christ! Some of you would look royally stupid in 3 years after unloading our best position playing prospect AND our best pitching prospect for Ryan Freel, who would be our 3rd outfielder and our 5th outfielder come 2009. And you wonder what mentality led us to the Jesus-for-Zambrano exchange? Ugh.

As for my proposals, I say we do nothing. That’s right—absolutely fucking nothing, aside from possibly a player of Jeff Keppinger’s caliber exchanged for a scrap heap reliever that has a shot at turning into the next Pedro Feliciano, or at least something remotely close. This in addition to bringing up Collazo and DLing Schoeneweis, then praying Mota can pan out because his stuff looks OK but his location has just been scrotum. Other than that, why are you dealing away the future? Why are you penciling in Fernando and Gomez to 100% pan out when we all know what happened to guys like Andy Van Slyke? Do you really think Humber and Mulvey are guaranteed commodities? Most of all, do you REALLY think that Milledge and Pelfrey have no shot at ever becoming quality MLB players? We don’t need another everyday outfielder with a bloated contract and/or a bad injury history. There is nobody right now (healthy, short-term contract, consistent producer on a high level) who can be had without gutting the cream of the farm. Sorry to inform you of that—there is no clear solution. That’s why Omar is not making a panic move.

If and when the team is healthy (big if, big when) to at least an 85% clip (as opposed to about a 65% clip right now), it has enough talent and experience to win the World Series.

Someone tag this to be revisited in like a year and a half so we can laugh at our collective retardation. Cot damn.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smoke wrote:
Oh, look at that... the board's most intelligent poster BY A LONGSHOT has now come on board with the Collazo idea. This thing is gathering steam.

JP has additionally CONSISTENTLY made the best and most sensical trade proposals out of anyone on the board and would probably make the best GM out of all of us by far. Additionally, that call he made on Gautreau was RIDICULOUS and he was probably the world’s only human being who could pinpoint that acquisition. Dude just DOES NOT get his props sometimes. Looks like Tulane is good for something other than J.P. Losman.

Now that I’m off his jock (no homo), I’d like to state that outside of those started by the Four Horsemen, this has been the most panicked and consequentially inane thread I have seen in the history of this board. Some of the proposals on here are downright fucking retarded—not because people on here are stupid, because they were made by smart people who are having brain lapses right now—but because everyone thinks that our 8-game swoon or whatever is indicative that we are fucked as a franchise forever. Say WHAT!?

The worst thing about this all is not that people are actually positing that we need Ken Griffey Jr.—which is not the case for reasons outlined in JP’s post—but that we are now looking to trade Milledge and Pelfrey at the lowest possible value and get positively ripped off in some of these proposals. Milledge AND Pelfrey for Alex Fucking Rios? Are you out of your damn mind? I would say Milledge at 70% of his potential is exactly the player Rios is right now. That alone is probably enough to say that Milledge-for-Rios straight up is only a slight fleecing on our end… but to throw in Pelfrey? How the [CENSORED] have you already given up on him with less than 150 minor league innings under his belt and basically no education about how to throw inside and no development of an off-speed pitch? Christ! Some of you would look royally stupid in 3 years after unloading our best position playing prospect AND our best pitching prospect for Ryan Freel, who would be our 3rd outfielder and our 5th outfielder come 2009. And you wonder what mentality led us to the Jesus-for-Zambrano exchange? Ugh.

As for my proposals, I say we do nothing. That’s right—absolutely fucking nothing, aside from possibly a player of Jeff Keppinger’s caliber exchanged for a scrap heap reliever that has a shot at turning into the next Pedro Feliciano, or at least something remotely close. This in addition to bringing up Collazo and DLing Schoeneweis, then praying Mota can pan out because his stuff looks OK but his location has just been scrotum. Other than that, why are you dealing away the future? Why are you penciling in Fernando and Gomez to 100% pan out when we all know what happened to guys like Andy Van Slyke? Do you really think Humber and Mulvey are guaranteed commodities? Most of all, do you REALLY think that Milledge and Pelfrey have no shot at ever becoming quality MLB players? We don’t need another everyday outfielder with a bloated contract and/or a bad injury history. There is nobody right now (healthy, short-term contract, consistent producer on a high level) who can be had without gutting the cream of the farm. Sorry to inform you of that—there is no clear solution. That’s why Omar is not making a panic move.

If and when the team is healthy (big if, big when) to at least an 85% clip (as opposed to about a 65% clip right now), it has enough talent and experience to win the World Series.

Someone tag this to be revisited in like a year and a half so we can laugh at our collective retardation. Cot damn.


Not hating on your post, but Toronto would never consider Milledge for Rios straight up. Rios has a .865 OPS with 20 SB over his last 700 ML AB's, Milledge in his 1100 MiL AB's coming into this year had a MiL OPS of .857 and 73 SB.

Now Milledge could easily end up being the superior player, but to assume that he's better right now is getting a bit ahead of ourselves.

Still wouldn't trade Milledge myself though

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Smoke wrote:
Oh, look at that... the board's most intelligent poster BY A LONGSHOT has now come on board with the Collazo idea. This thing is gathering steam.

JP has additionally CONSISTENTLY made the best and most sensical trade proposals out of anyone on the board and would probably make the best GM out of all of us by far. Additionally, that call he made on Gautreau was RIDICULOUS and he was probably the world’s only human being who could pinpoint that acquisition. Dude just DOES NOT get his props sometimes. Looks like Tulane is good for something other than J.P. Losman.

Now that I’m off his jock (no homo), I’d like to state that outside of those started by the Four Horsemen, this has been the most panicked and consequentially inane thread I have seen in the history of this board. Some of the proposals on here are downright fucking retarded—not because people on here are stupid, because they were made by smart people who are having brain lapses right now—but because everyone thinks that our 8-game swoon or whatever is indicative that we are fucked as a franchise forever. Say WHAT!?

The worst thing about this all is not that people are actually positing that we need Ken Griffey Jr.—which is not the case for reasons outlined in JP’s post—but that we are now looking to trade Milledge and Pelfrey at the lowest possible value and get positively ripped off in some of these proposals. Milledge AND Pelfrey for Alex Fucking Rios? Are you out of your damn mind? I would say Milledge at 70% of his potential is exactly the player Rios is right now. That alone is probably enough to say that Milledge-for-Rios straight up is only a slight fleecing on our end… but to throw in Pelfrey? How the [CENSORED] have you already given up on him with less than 150 minor league innings under his belt and basically no education about how to throw inside and no development of an off-speed pitch? Christ! Some of you would look royally stupid in 3 years after unloading our best position playing prospect AND our best pitching prospect for Ryan Freel, who would be our 3rd outfielder and our 5th outfielder come 2009. And you wonder what mentality led us to the Jesus-for-Zambrano exchange? Ugh.

As for my proposals, I say we do nothing. That’s right—absolutely fucking nothing, aside from possibly a player of Jeff Keppinger’s caliber exchanged for a scrap heap reliever that has a shot at turning into the next Pedro Feliciano, or at least something remotely close. This in addition to bringing up Collazo and DLing Schoeneweis, then praying Mota can pan out because his stuff looks OK but his location has just been scrotum. Other than that, why are you dealing away the future? Why are you penciling in Fernando and Gomez to 100% pan out when we all know what happened to guys like Andy Van Slyke? Do you really think Humber and Mulvey are guaranteed commodities? Most of all, do you REALLY think that Milledge and Pelfrey have no shot at ever becoming quality MLB players? We don’t need another everyday outfielder with a bloated contract and/or a bad injury history. There is nobody right now (healthy, short-term contract, consistent producer on a high level) who can be had without gutting the cream of the farm. Sorry to inform you of that—there is no clear solution. That’s why Omar is not making a panic move.

If and when the team is healthy (big if, big when) to at least an 85% clip (as opposed to about a 65% clip right now), it has enough talent and experience to win the World Series.

Someone tag this to be revisited in like a year and a half so we can laugh at our collective retardation. Cot damn.


Not hating on your post, but Toronto would never consider Milledge for Rios straight up. Rios has a .865 OPS with 20 SB over his last 700 ML AB's, Milledge in his 1100 MiL AB's coming into this year had a MiL OPS of .857 and 73 SB.

Now Milledge could easily end up being the superior player, but to assume that he's better right now is getting a bit ahead of ourselves.

Still wouldn't trade Milledge myself though


You're definitely right, and I wasn't trying to imply that a trade like that would ever actually happen, but we would only slightly be getting the better end of the deal if it ever went down.

I'm with you on keeping him, though, unless he is the centerpiece for a package landing us a frontline starter.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was also a left handed RP coming back in that deal...

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Relievers :

Damaso Marte (Pittsburgh)
Jamie Walker (Baltimore)
Joel Peralta (Kansas City)


Those 3 are very good pitchers that could be had, and probably wouldnt cost much to get. I would like Marte from Pittsburgh, and also try to make a big trade with them and add a Gorzelanny AND Freddy Sanchez in the deal.

Thats when we bring out the Lastings Milledge/Carlos Gomez trade proposals.

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Relievers :

Damaso Marte (Pittsburgh)
Jamie Walker (Baltimore)
Joel Peralta (Kansas City)


Those 3 are very good pitchers that could be had, and probably wouldnt cost much to get. I would like Marte from Pittsburgh, and also try to make a big trade with them and add a Gorzelanny AND Freddy Sanchez in the deal.

Thats when we bring out the Lastings Milledge/Carlos Gomez trade proposals.


Pittsburgh needs a CF, because I don't see Duffy lasting too long there. Lasting too long there, hahaha. So let's see..who's got a good proposal?

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illkatinjerz wrote:
Relievers :

Damaso Marte (Pittsburgh)
Jamie Walker (Baltimore)
Joel Peralta (Kansas City)


Those 3 are very good pitchers that could be had, and probably wouldnt cost much to get. I would like Marte from Pittsburgh, and also try to make a big trade with them and add a Gorzelanny AND Freddy Sanchez in the deal.

Thats when we bring out the Lastings Milledge/Carlos Gomez trade proposals.


Pittsburgh needs a CF, because I don't see Duffy lasting too long there. Lasting too long there, hahaha. So let's see..who's got a good proposal?



Milledge for Gorzelanny.Freddy Sanchez and Marte... Sign me up

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hojosmets wrote:
illkatinjerz wrote:
Relievers :

Damaso Marte (Pittsburgh)
Jamie Walker (Baltimore)
Joel Peralta (Kansas City)


Those 3 are very good pitchers that could be had, and probably wouldnt cost much to get. I would like Marte from Pittsburgh, and also try to make a big trade with them and add a Gorzelanny AND Freddy Sanchez in the deal.

Thats when we bring out the Lastings Milledge/Carlos Gomez trade proposals.


Pittsburgh needs a CF, because I don't see Duffy lasting too long there. Lasting too long there, hahaha. So let's see..who's got a good proposal?



Milledge for Gorzelanny.Freddy Sanchez and Marte... Sign me up


that's not nearly enough, and i don't think they're going to want to trade us gorzelanny after how badly the oliver perez trade worked out for them.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JP has additionally CONSISTENTLY made the best and most sensical trade proposals out of anyone on the board and would probably make the best GM out of all of us by far. Additionally, that call he made on Gautreau was RIDICULOUS and he was probably the world’s only human being who could pinpoint that acquisition.

The worst thing about this all is not that people are actually positing that we need Ken Griffey Jr.—which is not the case for reasons outlined in JP’s post—but that we are now looking to trade Milledge and Pelfrey at the lowest possible value and get positively ripped off in some of these proposals. And you wonder what mentality led us to the Jesus-for-Zambrano exchange? Ugh.


A) thanks.
B) My trade proposals are realistic because I don't think adding another superstar is realistic.

Omar is at the Phillips Point right now. The Phillips Point is where you have a young nucleus and mix of veterans and young players capable of doing good things.

Your GM can go one of two directions:
#1 - Go for a couple tiny moves that can help you this year and maybe beyond, but doesn't sacrifice the long-term potential of the franchise
#2 - Damn the torpedoes and clean out the farm for any big-impact player on the market regardless of how well he fits.

I vote #1.

We SHOULDN'T be looking at Dunn and Griffey off the Reds. We should be saying "Jeff Conine is 40 years old, we'll give you Ivan Naccarata* for him."

Because Conine can hit a lefty, be serviceable in LF and doesn't cost us any piece of our future, and he's disposable for when Milledge hits like .773 in spring training next year.

(* - Who? 25 year old in single A.)


C) I find it hilarious that the people saying Omar fucked up by making us too old! Are the same people who think our prospects aren't good and should be dealt for OLDER PLAYERS so we can win this year.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Until milledge is back playing up to his potential or ability all trade ideas are B.S!
2. Schoeneweis to the dl, collazo, vargas & dave williams IF healthy!
3. Melvin mora, can back-up wright & play lf until alou is ready (whenever the hell that is!!)
4. Gotay, give him more playing time, dl easley or release him, at this point he isn't worth a damn!! Jake gautreau (spelling ?), may deserve a cup of coffee
5. Can rick down, replace him with hojo!
6. Bring back mookie to coach first base, now there's some magic for y'all!
7. Omar, have a sit down with willie & read him the riot act, WILLIE TOO DAMN CALM LATELY, 'booby' cox would've got thrown out a few games past week IF he felt the umps were squeezing his pitchers or blowing calls!
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